Issues We Hoped To Address in the meeting with Mr. Alloro.

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(Form conversations with our honorable Noahide Christian colleges in the pursuit and creation of unity.)

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It's seems that in your opinion, you and your female friends, mastered your "service of the creator" in the context of Christianity. And you can "prove it" by pointing to "ideas" you developed in your mind (being that according to Christianity the actual "laws" or actions are "non relevant" to fulfill anymore) the reason why I am not at liberty to accept this position from you, not legitimize such a thing is because:

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1. The (new testament) foundations you base your beliefs on are not true in Judaism - point blank. Action is very much a part of the service of hashem, so much so that if one does not fulfill actions = commandments = mitsvos, all his "wisdom" is null and void.

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2. It would be one thing if you spoke to me about your service of hashem and actually wanted to grow in that area, but that is not clear to me.

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3. Just like Ulf, which thought that if he can provide or create some testimony (like your pillar picture) he can somehow legitimize his service of hashem and his conclusions, he now knows that this "recipe of legitimacy" is null and void and "not accepted" according to the old and oral traditions. The only "law" is the old and oral torah, end of story.

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4. Your creation of justifications for your service of hashem and the exclusive conclusions you arrived at in said "ideas" is a wild guess at best of how Hashem's would works, thus me as a human being cannot confirm nor deny if it works because how should I know.

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5. Being that my fundamental Torah and the place I pull my "ideas" from is not the same as yours, and in many ways in my opinion the torah is the original and only word of hashem, I must let you know that the discussion we might have about service of Hashem becomes incompatible because the Torah's priorities are not the same as the new testaments priorities.

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6. In Judaism, we don't borrow names on a whim, boaz and so on, we do not declare ourselves to be vessels for other people's souls, that is borderline "talking to the dead" and a grave sin in Judaism. We can say I am "like" or I aspire to be "like" but never "take a name, unless given by birth. I. E. We don't play with souls.

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7. I figured that as we said, Jacob will teach, and Eisav will Protect and serve. As our blessings from hashem demand of us. Not the other way around. Thus it perplexed me when you keep giving me long doctrine and ideas I need or believe not in. 

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8. The fact that a Noahide is allowed to believe in "partnership" in creation, does not mean he is allowed to talk about it to others especially not to Jews which are not allowed to believe in "partnership in creation", its really a deformity of service of Hashem and in some ways like crutches which at the right time should be discarded, and should not be a main focus.

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9. According to Ulf, your branch of Christianity puts forth a narrative where the Jews fold to Jesus when the Christian shows them the light, this is a reality that is not true, you were lied to, and to have that expectation is really a waste of time, the founders of Christianity hoped you never meet a Jew, because they knew that what they were selling was "made in China D grade trash" the only reason they put that idea in Christianity is to boost self confidence of those contemplating if to follow their pile of crap, and they knew that they needed to say that the Jews would fold, but history proves that nothing is further from reality.